Translated content using the file system

Hi,

My role as a DITA tools engineer has not included performing workflow related tasks. I am familiar with object levels, and I have some familiarity with the web services API. At my current job I have a task to research using multiple languages. There are no plans yet to use a translation management system.

Should it work to change the status of objects, which have translation management enabled, to "To be translated" send an export the report. Create translated copies of the exported files changing xml:lang and keeping the same GUIDs. Then use Import translations?

What I have tried is to add status transitions and inbox actions to add a Change2ToBeTranslated action and status transitions from Review to To be translated, but when I try to generate a workflow report, the transition does not appear.

In the web client there is a recycle symbol next to the status transitions. Is there some action that I need to perform?

  • Hi Kendall,
    Not easy to do a written correspondence on translation management. If you are up for some research, I would advise to start with
    1. Checking that your system is still configured for Translation Management within the CMS. It could be that your deployment was explicitly customized to not have it anymore. Can you verify Web Client > Settings > XML Translation Settings as it should contain some language path entries that indicate what will be the source language for the French generated stub.
       <languagepaths>
        <languagepath from="en" to="fr"/>
        <languagepath from="en" to="nl"/>
    2. Check that Settings > Initial Statusses has "Translator Service" user role that typically points to initial status "To be translated"
    3. The easiest way to generate that French stub is to have a topic version that is (D)raft (like Ready-for-Release). Make sure that on the logical level Translation Management is enabled. Then push the English topic to (R)eleased status. This should trigger a BackgroundTask that will generate the French topic next to the English topic within the same version. Most likely in status "To be translated".
    4. Then through a TranslationJob object or by Translation Report for French, you can force an export to SDL TMS or SDL WorldServer or to the server's file system.

    I do think if you want to make a good judgement call for your process, that it is worthwhile to reach out to Professional Services.

    Best of luck,
    Dave

  • Hi Kendall - the short answer is that you don't need a translation management system to make localizing content out of the CCMS efficient. You just push the English content to translation then import the translated objects. At FICO, we translate entire publications only. Here's what we do:
    "Push" the objects to translation using the out-of-the-box translation processes in the CCMS > export/download the files for translation and send them to the translators > change the status of the objects to "In Translation" (using the web UI Inbox - very easy) > Import the translations > build the output > work with the translators to make any outstanding fixes until the output looks ready to go.
  • Hi Elizbeth. Thank you! It is good to know that it should work. I will have to do more experimentation to see why I am unable to to complete the push to In translation from the web client.
  • Hi Dave. Does there need to be a role called Translator Service, or is Translation Coordinator similar? This is with Knowledge Center 12.0.5.
  • Also does this image indicate that something needs to be done to save changes?

     

    Icon of a clipboard with a green checkmark and arrows, labeled 'Status Transitions', indicating a process or step to be completed in Trados Studio.

     

    What do I need to do to save the changes, if that is what that means? I don't see a save button or the like.

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  • You are welcome! Dave can confirm, but you should probably log a support ticket to help get your translation workflow set up.
  • Thanks. Since I only have 2 simple questions, I am hoping those can be answered.
  • No one knows? Is Translation Coordinator the same as Translation Service? Also, does the recycle symbol in status transitions in the web client indicate that something needs to be done? What would that be?
  • I am probably not the person to answer this, so I'd appreciate it if someone would correct me.

    It is my understanding that the Translation Service is your translation management system (SDL's TMS, WorldService, XTM, etc). The Translation Coordinator is the person pushing the objects from LCA/Knowledge Center/Tridion Docs to the translation service. And that seems to be what the documentation for LCA explains.

    I do see a recycle symbol as part of the status transitions icon in the Web client (Settings menu), but I'm not sure where else you are seeing this icon. In what screen of the Web client does this appear? The only other "recycle" symbol I'm seeing is the refresh icon.
  • Hi. Thank you for your answer. There is a section in the documentation describing configuring the Translation Service role. So, I think you are right. And, I guess the recycle symbol in the web client for Status Transitions is always present and doesn't represent a status. So, as far as I can tell, I have everything configured as described in the documentation. When I try to create a translation report (all the objects are in "To be translated" state) it won't let me finish, because I have to have the "Translator" field filled. I have no idea how to specify a value for that, so I am stuck at the moment.

    The documentation "Integration requirements for Content Manager and File System" refers to a dedicated user (typically ServiceUser) having the role TRANSLATORSERVICE. I've assigned myself that role, but I don't appear in the drop down for "Translator" (it is empty).