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"Solid" (?) PDF converter performance

Can the integrated Solid PDF Converter do any better than this?:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5a3daawnf1i4hqc/Przechwytywanie.PNG?dl=0

I tried tweaking some settings, but it's the same worthless rubbish. I'm just asking to know if there's a point in trying any further, or should I dismiss the tool completely. I remember from Trados 2011 that it wasn't very helpful either. Although, to be fair, Solid in 2017 did convert that one simple PDF I had accepted this morning neatly.

The same file is converted into .docx by Acrobat 2011 without any problems - except for the fact that it gives me a tag error when trying to MT it in Trados subsequently. So it's just jumping between problems with software these days, sadly.

  • Hi

    I'm not sure what your question is with the file you referred to. Am I supposed to convert the png to a PDF and try and open it in Studio?

    Why don't you use IRIS?
    multifarious.filkin.com/.../

    Paul Filkin | RWS

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  • Bonkers! I swapped the screenshot file in my Dropbox with something else, and can't find the previous file. Anyway, the original screenshot depicted a .docx file converted with multiple graphical artifacts, as compared to the neat and orderly original PDF.

    But the question remains: is Solid's performance on par with, say, the Acrobat converter, or am I not to expect such performance from this feature? Note that, as mentioned, the same file was converted by Acrobat nicely (though with a tag error...).

  • Hi  ,

    I guess if you just posted the image into the thread instead of linking it you'd see what you did as you go. Use the advanced editing options and you can add images and files, apply formatting etc.

    On Solid... I mentioned IRIS because this is a superior OCR technology and it's available to you free in Studio 2017. So why would you keep asking about Solid when you already have a better solution available to you in Studio? I don't know if Solid is better than Adobe or not... it probably depends on the source... one may be better than others.

    I also think your best bet is to convert a PDF first using whatever your preferred solution is for the source file you have.  Then clean up the OCR'd file and translate the DOCX instead.  Always a better approach for PDF files in my opinion.

    Paul Filkin | RWS

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  • Yeah, but IRIS is an OCR tool (or is it?), and my PDF was an editable PDF, not a scan. I would never even try leaving the OCR job to tools like Trados or Acrobat, there's absolutely no point.
  • ok ,

    ok - I didn't realise it was uneditable. In this case I wouldn't take the approach you are taking at all. I would see which PDF converter does the best job and convert the file to DOCX first, tidy up the converted DOCX with TransTools or similar and then handle the DOCX. I don't think you can say one tool is better than the other as the results of both can vary depending on the quality of the PDF. I also think a better tool than any of them is probably Abbyy.

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  • Yeah, but Abbyy messes up editable PDF's excessively (it often attempts to "scan" things instead of just converting them, from my experience), doesn't it.

    Okay, thanks. I'll give the cleaner tools a try too.
  • Hi , maybe worth getting the opinion of someone like who would probably use Abbyy in preference to anything.

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  • I'm tired of posting screenshots and all that anymore, but here's a(nother) bug that came up lately in Studio:

    After converting an editable PDF in Studio, some or all the images turn to black squares or some weird graphical artifacts (looking like a damaged scanner or something). The funny part is the problem is solved after restarting Studio (NOT Windows) - but not always 100%. Recently I had a situation where a file was messed up completely, I then reset Studio, and after that only three or so images were corrupted, with the rest being ok.

    I've seen stuff like that exactly a year ago already (see the OP), but now it seems to have reoccurred without a reason. I run the horribly unpredictable and buggy Win 10 on Surface (it has a special build), but this smells like SDL might have some say here nonetheless. I'm not sure what this might be related to. Any suggestions or people with the same problem?

    I did activate IRIS recently, but honestly it doesn't seem to have made any difference in conversion whatsoever in terms of reconstruction of formatting, handling different document objects and such. I'm not sure it even works at all. I'll try to disable it and see then, but this exposes me to the risk of a certain DeepL pre-translation bug coming up again…

    Paul, I'll gladly provide you with a test file (which may pretty much be any PDF with images of my choice), but we both know it's going to work perfectly on your end - for some reason.

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    0 Former Member in reply to Adrian Komiński

    Hi Adrian,

    you'll get the best results in "Soliding" PDF created by MS Word. If you use Acrobat or Adobe Reader then use CTRL+D to open the properties window. Check the first tab to see the creator (software) of the PDF. As Paul said - the source (not file extension but a source of the PDF file) is important for later processes. If it will be MS Word of Office then you can expect quite good results. That doesn't mean the results will be perfect, without tabs or multiple spaces between words or ghost tags... but the best possible using Solid.

    Keep in mind that Solid won't provide good results with PDFs from InDesign or Framemaker. PDFs from TeX/LaTeX, Quicksilver, and other generators/systems are always unexpectable - the test drive is needed in every case.

    You will receive bad results using Solid to convert PDFs from Corel, Quark (depends on layout and Quark version) and software like Photoshop and Illustrator (and so on...).

    The perfect software which can handle all type of PDFs is ABBYY Fine Reader but you have to know how to operate the software and adapt the workflow to get these high-quality results. It's not a simple 3-step converter but very complexed software with many options and possibilities which user has to know and be able to use where/when needed.

    Otherwise - if we've had any good auto-converter - the DTP specialists in LSPs would be not necessary, right? ;)

    "it often attempts to "scan" things instead of just converting them, from my experience" - starting from version 14 it is not scanning instead of converting. As far as I know, if the PDF is editable it reads the content like you'd copy it from the PDF (unless there are some issues with special characters) - that depends on the app settings. We're back to the same thing - user must know what he/it (I mean both - user and the source file) needs and how to configure the software's settings for a specific project/case.

    Anyway, without the screenshots or file, it's impossible to tell more as every project is different and needs an individual approach.

    Regards,

    Rafal

  • Thanks Rafał, this was elaborate (and, admittedly, not much I didn't know already) - but the point here is that the problem can be remedied by resetting Studio, which obviously points to another filthy bug ignored/not hunted properly by SDL. So it's not a performance issue, but a stability/reliability one.

    And converting things manually (which is the only sensible way indeed) with Finereader takes ages, as we all know, so it's certainly not a good option if you value your time and money, unless you happen to have a slave to do the work for you.